Stephen Jones places Carter and Wilkinson low on his list of best fly-halves

Jones has had another lively debate with his fellow rugby writer at the Sunday Times, Stuart Barnes, this time over who has been rugby's best first-five.

Stuart Barnes' top 10 No 10s: 1 Dan Carter (New Zealand), 2 Phil Bennett (Wales), 3 Mark Ella (Australia), 4 Barry John (Wales), 5 Jonny Wilkinson (England), 6 Jonathan Davies (Wales), 7 Stephen Larkham (Australia), 8 Michael Lynagh (Australia), 9 Ronan O'Gara (Ireland), 10 Grant Fox (New Zealand).

Stephen Jones' top 10 No 10s: 1. David Watkins (Wales), 2 Juan Martín Hernández (Argentina), 3 Jonathan Davies (Wales), 4 John Rutherford (Scotland), 5 Michael Lynagh (Australia), 6 Phil Bennett (Wales), 7 Andrew Mehrtens (New Zealand), 8 Jonny Wilkinson (England), 9 Barry John (Wales), 10 Dan Carter.