Nigel Owens recently revealed his top five captains from matches he has officiated, and his first choice may come as a surprise.
The highly regarded referee, in an interview with Wales Online, explained that he excluded Welsh players from his list since he hasn't officiated any international matches involving them.
With that in mind, here are my top Test skippers, excluding Welshmen.
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NIGEL OWENS: MY TOP 5 CAPTAINS
#5. Chris Robshaw (England)
The flanker is a former rugby union legend, renowned for his indomitable spirit on the pitch. Born on June 4, 1986, in Redhill, England, he captained the England national team and spent the majority of his club career with Harlequins. Robshaw's commitment and leadership made him a beloved figure in the rugby world.
Owens said: Some people will be surprised at this one to start off. His misfortune was perhaps to be leading England during a difficult time, but he always gave everything for the cause, encouraging others to follow suit, and he was a nice guy off the pitch."
#4. Jean de Villiers (South Africa)
Villiers, born on February 24, 1981, in Paarl, South Africa, is a rugby union icon. A former Springboks captain, he epitomized excellence on the field. Known for his skill, dedication, and leadership, he left an indelible mark on the sport during his illustrious career, inspiring rugby fans worldwide.
Owens said: "He was not only a great rugby player but also a great leader and a great man. Whenever I came across him on the field, he impressed me."
#3. Richie McCaw (New Zealand)
McCaw, born on December 31, 1980, in Oamaru, New Zealand, is a rugby legend. Widely regarded as one of the greatest openside flankers, he captained the All Blacks to Rugby World Cup victories in 2011 and 2015. McCaw's relentless work ethic and tenacity made him an enduring icon in rugby history.
Owens said: "He’s right up on any list of rugby’s greatest players.
"Maybe he will be at the top for many people.
"New Zealand won something like nine out of every 10 games in which he led them, but the mark of Richie McCaw was how he conducted himself when the All Blacks lost."
#2. Paul O'Connell & Brian O'Driscoll (Ireland)
Owens said: "I’m classing this as a joint-ticket as whenever I seemed to ref Ireland in their day O’Driscoll was captain and O’Connell was vice-skipper.
"O’Driscoll actually used to tell me if there were issues with the forwards then I should chat to O’Connell.
I found them excellent to deal with."
#1. Thierry Dusautoir (France)
Dusautoir, born on November 18, 1981, in Abidjan, Ivory Coast, is a rugby union legend. Renowned for his exceptional skills and fearless leadership, he captained the French national team and played for Stade Toulousain. Dusautoir's resilience and commitment made him a beloved figure in the world of rugby.
Owens said: "My choice as the best skipper I encountered may raise a few eyebrows, but what a captain Dusautoir was. He unfailingly put his body on the line throughout his career — recall the 38 tackles he made when France knocked the All Blacks out of the 2007 World Cup — led by example and understood the game very well."